Legacy releases.. 390. *grumble*
Guess who just tried to install 396.24 and found out that: a) 390.X is now a legacy release not a long-term b) that their graphics card (NVS 5200M) is now considered legacy. Would have been nice if the README for 396 didn't just include the *new* cards supported, but also mentioned the list of cards that had been dropped.
Guess who just tried to install 396.24 and found out that:

a) 390.X is now a legacy release not a long-term
b) that their graphics card (NVS 5200M) is now considered legacy.

Would have been nice if the README for 396 didn't just include the *new* cards
supported, but also mentioned the list of cards that had been dropped.

#1
Posted 05/18/2018 05:11 AM   
lol The README in the driver package for 396.18 actually contained that list. Did they remove it with 396.24? At least they now changed the list of supported devices on their website which contained unsupported devices previously.
lol
The README in the driver package for 396.18 actually contained that list. Did they remove it with 396.24? At least they now changed the list of supported devices on their website which contained unsupported devices previously.

#2
Posted 05/18/2018 10:18 AM   
It is mentioned here and your card is listed as supported by 390.xx at most: http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html You're right though, other places don't mention 390.x being legacy: https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/533434/linux/current-graphics-driver-releases/ http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142 So they're just slow to update all the documentation.
It is mentioned here and your card is listed as supported by 390.xx at most: http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html


You're right though, other places don't mention 390.x being legacy:

https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/533434/linux/current-graphics-driver-releases/

http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142


So they're just slow to update all the documentation.

#3
Posted 05/18/2018 03:00 PM   
Sorry the situation is a little confusing. Our support strategy goes something like this: [list] [.]Short-lived branches typically get one or two official releases before we move on. This is where new features and support for the latest products first show up.[/.] [.]Long-lived branches (after the first release or two) get bug fixes and new kernel & X server support for supported products, but usually not new features.[/.] [.]Legacy branches get new kernel & X server support for legacy products only. I.e. we aren't backporting fixes for Fermi-based GPUs to the release 340 series since that one is the legacy branch for the Tesla architecture.[/.] [/list] 390.* is still the current long-lived branch, so it's still getting releases supporting Fermi [i]and newer[/i] GPUs. Once there's a new long-lived branch that supersedes it, 390 will transition to legacy support where it will only get fixes that are relevant to Fermi. Does that help clear things up? As for 396.18, the README lists the NVS 5200M in a section that starts with this heading: [quote]Below are the legacy GPUs that are no longer supported in the unified driver. These GPUs will continue to be maintained through the special legacy NVIDIA GPU driver releases. The 390.xx driver supports the following set of GPUs:[/quote] Maybe it's confusing to have the legacy tables in the same page as the list of supported products? Would it help to split the lists into separate HTML files?
Sorry the situation is a little confusing. Our support strategy goes something like this:
  • Short-lived branches typically get one or two official releases before we move on. This is where new features and support for the latest products first show up.
  • Long-lived branches (after the first release or two) get bug fixes and new kernel & X server support for supported products, but usually not new features.
  • Legacy branches get new kernel & X server support for legacy products only. I.e. we aren't backporting fixes for Fermi-based GPUs to the release 340 series since that one is the legacy branch for the Tesla architecture.

390.* is still the current long-lived branch, so it's still getting releases supporting Fermi and newer GPUs. Once there's a new long-lived branch that supersedes it, 390 will transition to legacy support where it will only get fixes that are relevant to Fermi. Does that help clear things up?

As for 396.18, the README lists the NVS 5200M in a section that starts with this heading:
Below are the legacy GPUs that are no longer supported in the unified driver. These GPUs will continue to be maintained through the special legacy NVIDIA GPU driver releases.

The 390.xx driver supports the following set of GPUs:

Maybe it's confusing to have the legacy tables in the same page as the list of supported products? Would it help to split the lists into separate HTML files?

Aaron Plattner
NVIDIA Linux Graphics

#4
Posted 05/18/2018 03:36 PM   
[quote="aplattner"] As for 396.18, the README lists the NVS 5200M in a section that starts with this heading: [/quote] That doesn't help when I'm looking at 396.24.. [quote] Maybe it's confusing to have the legacy tables in the same page as the list of supported products? Would it help to split the lists into separate HTML files?[/quote] What *exactly* bit me: The README here: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/133859/en-us Had a nice blurb that said: Added support for the following GPUs: GeForce GTX 1050 with Max-Q Design Quadro P3200 Quadro P4200 But no mention that 390 was being split off - which meant I didn't notice https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1032650/linux/unix-graphics-feature-deprecation-schedule/ I think the primary disconnect was that the 396.18 announcement listed it, but 396.24 didn't - which causes a problem for anybody who doesn't look at every single announcement. Going forward, you probably should include a reminder for the first 3-6 months of a series.... (Fortunately, once I found out about the split, I got 390.59 running just fine on a next-20180517 kernel... :)
aplattner said:
As for 396.18, the README lists the NVS 5200M in a section that starts with this heading:


That doesn't help when I'm looking at 396.24..


Maybe it's confusing to have the legacy tables in the same page as the list of supported products? Would it help to split the lists into separate HTML files?


What *exactly* bit me: The README here: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/133859/en-us

Had a nice blurb that said:

Added support for the following GPUs:
GeForce GTX 1050 with Max-Q Design
Quadro P3200
Quadro P4200

But no mention that 390 was being split off - which meant I didn't notice https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1032650/linux/unix-graphics-feature-deprecation-schedule/

I think the primary disconnect was that the 396.18 announcement listed it, but 396.24 didn't - which causes a problem for anybody who doesn't look at every single announcement. Going forward, you probably should include a reminder for the first 3-6 months of a series....

(Fortunately, once I found out about the split, I got 390.59 running just fine on a next-20180517 kernel... :)

#5
Posted 05/20/2018 11:20 PM   
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